New York – unease in the US financial centre ** Updated

    

 

New York could be creeping towards a mood redolent in some respects of 1929/30 as transiting Saturn conjuncts the New York Inc Capricorn Sun and squares the NY Jupiter; and the Solar Arc Saturn squares the Sun and opposes the NY Jupiter.  Saturn tends to have a discouraging effect and hitting on Jupiter usually has negative effects on finances and enthusiasm.

The Saturn transits come exact this December; and the Solar Arc Saturn hard aspects pick up from late 2019 through to 2020.

In 1929 for the Wall Street Crash the NY Solar Arc Saturn was square the NY Jupiter and conjunct the NY Sun in 1930. With the additional jolt of Solar Arc Uranus hitting on both the Sun and Jupiter in 1930; and the devastation of tr Pluto conjunct the Solar Arc Neptune – neither of which are around this time. So not quite as bad.

The NY Inc chart, 1 January 1898 has, in addition to four Cardinal planets (Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and perhaps Moon) providing a wealth of initiative and ambition, also six highly-strung, changeable Mutable planets. The generational Neptune Pluto in Gemini with Pluto in a tough-minded opposition to Saturn in Sagittarius (conjunct Uranus) and Neptune widely opposition Mars Venus in last degree Sagittarius/

At 9/11 the war-like transiting Saturn in Gemini opposition tr Pluto in Sagittarius hit the NY Pluto, so pulling out its formidable resilience. When the Lehman Brothers collapse of 15 September 2008 occurred tr Pluto was conjunct the NY Mars Venus; with the economically-unstable tr Uranus in Pisces opposition tr Saturn in Virgo hitting on the NY Neptune and Pluto – a considerable whammy. Plus the Solar Arc Saturn was square the NY Mars Venus in the aftermath.

Whatever is coming up is a natural progression from the Lehman collapse and aftermath as the Solar Arc Saturn has moved off the NY Mars Venus and is near the exact square to the NY Sun.

Stock Exchange charts are not always reliable but for what it’s worth – NY SE 17 May 1792 11.30am. This has slightly similar influences to 1929 with tr Pluto in aspect to the Mars, exact this September/October and the Solar Arc Sun in both 1929 and late this year has outer planet hard aspects. Though 1929 has additional negative influences as well.

Doesn’t mean there will be exactly the same but it does look downbeat that’s for sure.

Add on: The Wall Street crash occurred with Pluto at 19 degrees Cancer with tr Uranus in first decan Aries and tr Saturn in late Sagittarius. That would pull together in 1930 and on into a Pluto opposition Saturn square Uranus for the start of the Great Depression which followed. Saturn Pluto is bleak, accompanies hardship and deprivation. Saturn square Uranus is usually economically unstable. Uranus Pluto is disruptive.

There are some similarities in so far as the Saturn Pluto conjunction in Capricorn drawing close from spring 2019 running till early 2020 will most likely accompany a recession and perhaps a more significant war globally. But the Saturn Uranus is missing as is the Uranus Pluto (which we’ve had 2012 to 2016.)

There is a repeat of the 3 South Saros cycle Eclipse in late 2019 which was around late 1929 and late 2001 as well. That cycle also occurred in late 1947 when the Cold War was hotting up and the House Un-American Activities Committee (commies under the bed) got under way. It was there also in late 1965 when the Vietnam War and anti-demos were escalating. And in late 1983. On all of those times there were contributory pressures from e.g. Saturn opposition Uranus Pluto in Virgo in the mid 1960s; and the Saturn Pluto in Leo conjunction in 1947; and Saturn Pluto in Scorpio in 1983.

All of the 2019 Eclipses in Capricorn (beginning and end of the year) and Cancer midway will hit on the USA chart with its Sun, Jupiter and Venus in Cancer. Ditto the UK and the EU and Germany all with Capricorn Suns.

All looks like a bumpy ride though nothing like as poleaxing as 1929 and the early 1930s.

 

17 thoughts on “New York – unease in the US financial centre ** Updated

  1. These events were set into motion years ago during the financial crisis, with the political crisis deepening during the 2012-16 Uranus/Pluto square to the country’s natal Cancer placements and Saturn in Libra. In retrospect, that placement heralded the turning point that served as a lead up to the events of the 2020’s.

    I think it could be a severe situation. The Jupiter/Saturn/Pluto/South Node stellum in Capricorn is the most significant one since the 1200’s. Mercury will conjunct these points in January 2020, Mars conjuncts it in March 2020, and Mars in Aries will retrograde and square these points several times late 2020. Jupiter’s presence there in Capricorn doesn’t necessarily soften the blow, that planets quality is to expand whatever situation it touches. Jupiter was last in Capricorn in 2007-08 at the onset of the last crisis. Jupiter could serve to add fuel to the flames.

    Furthermore, the eclipses in 2019 happen right along the Cancer/Capricorn axis, where the transiting lunar nodes will be as well. This as the Saturn/Pluto conjunction makes its first close approach. These points are especially sensitive to the country’s Cancer placements and it is occurring in its 2nd/8th house axis, which rules its financial markets, which serve as the basis for world trade. This Capricorn stellium in 2019/20 is the biggest the country has every seen in the 2nd house of money and financial markets. It will bring out the desperate need to dominate in order to keep money systems together since we are extremely in debt and broke. The US government’s policy of weaponizing the dollar to secure political control over wayward nations is a symptom of these approaching aspects.

    In short, the US is going to go through a profound crisis that is going to transform it. How will it end is anyone’s guess, but we know that a storm is coming. In 2021, we have Jupiter and Saturn in Aquarius Squaring Uranus in Taurus, which suggests problems in the currency markets. In 2022, transiting Neptune in Pisces will square the country’s natal Mars in Gemini, which is very muddled and an unsuccessful period. During that same period, we will be experiencing the US’s Pluto return. Is it possible that the hens will come home to roost early in the next decade? I think it’s possible. The US will not give us it’s position as the world’s hegemon and reserve currency without a war, so it can potentially get messy.

  2. crowded noisy west side ,14th st construction: building renovations, movie and tv shows . midtown abandoned storefronts .streets filled with traffic. derelicts sprawled on the street, weedhead construction workers..arrogant jabbering 5th avenue and Brooklyn tourists. few English speakers. old rednecks from odin knows where. insane real estate prices, luxury goods . . brain dead phone heads. 5 stock stock market.worthless Turkish currency-euro-us dollar . record tax revenue and record deficients.
    10 more years!

  3. I’m voting for some kind of a currency crisis leading to a real estate crisis in New York. Quite a few economists are worried about Turkey contaminating markets, even if only a couple have paid attention and seen this coming. I think that instead of financial markets melting down as in 2008, we will actually see return of inflation to Developed World. This would be so fitting for Uranus in Taurus and Jupiter/Saturn in Capricorn Astrological “Weather”. That said, currency crisis need not to even reach The US to have an effect to New York real estate market. New York real estate has, notably, long been where Developing World rich people invest. Now, imagine their currency crashing. First thing they do is visit less often, affecting New York Service Industry. Next thing is them having to sell the property to get US Dollars. This would flood the markets and take prices down, a bit like what happened with Argentinian ranches after their Government let go of the peso/dollar equity back in 2002.

    Good news here would be currency crisis tend to be shorter lived than other financial crisis, if dealt accordingly. And while middle classes might find meat too expensive to have on daily bases, currency crisis actually touch rich people too.

  4. News sites are becoming “polluted” with how to weather the imminent recession. No it’s not 1929…and it’s amusing but sobering to watch young folk wave it all off as fake news. Enough recession-era people still walk amoungst us to offer some insight into subsiding on ketchup soup.

  5. The fast approaching Saturn-Pluto conjunction will certainly bring a recession.And next year’s eclipse cycle is the same as was around at the 1929 Wall Street crash and the Tech meltdown-9/11 is it not?

    • At what orb will we begin to feel the Saturn-Pluto conjunction before it becomes exact? Wow, next year’s summer total solar eclipse is a day before my birthday so conjunct my Sun (11 deg Cancer). Feels like it will be powerful.

      • Most astrologers use a very tight orb for Pluto and Neptune transits on personal planets, and in Mundane Astrology, I would not use an orb larger than 1.5-2 degrees for acute situations. Slightly larger when the passages are being hit directly by other planets. Case I like to illustrate the point: Spring 1975 Cancer Saturn square Libra Pluto had almost a 5 degree orb in April, but was enhanced by Aries Jupiter tightly opposing Pluto. This resulted to Fall of Saigon, which basically took a month and culminated at the end of the month.

      • Jennifer, You’ve already had Pluto opposing your Sun so it won’t be so bad. Tr Saturn gets to the opposition to your Sun only once for a few days over the New Year. The Saturn Pluto conjunction draws close at 20 and 23 degrees Capricorn and then exact at 23 degrees in January 2020 and by then you’ve got Jupiter in Capricorn – panic not.

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